R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, was on MSNBC's "Scarborough Country."
Mohler appeared on the show along with David Silverman, communications director for American Atheists. Commentator Pat Buchanan served as guest host.
Mohler said parents of children who attend America's public schools "have become wise to the secular left's agenda in teaching Darwin's theory of evolution as fact." He also pointed out that "ID is not the same thing as creationism and that a majority of Americans want it taught in public schools."
Silverman dismissed in condescending terms the concept of a supreme intellect that created all things. "The idea that Darwinistic evolution has happened is fact," Silverman said. "The idea that the universe was created by an invisible magic man in the sky is fiction."
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